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Just one of those no shit moments of, I said it first! :

 

 Just over 6 thousand years ago, in Caucasus region of western Azerbaijan near de border of Georgia, not far from tiblisi, 3 young children, were buried in the Mentesh Tepe, in Pits, in the shulaveri-shomu culture, sideways in a contracted position, (I figure this after reading paper ....Lyonnet_etal2015QI.pdf).

* Lyonnet  et al - Mentesh Tepe, an early settlement of the Shomu-Shulaveri Culture in Azerbaijan

 

 

  B . Just over 5 thousand years ago, In Iberia region of south Portugal, near the border of Spain, no far from Lisbon, 3 young Children were buried in Perdigoes site, in Pits, in the pre culture milieu of the bell beakers culture, sideways in a contracted position (I figure this after reading paper A. silva et al)

  

A silva et al -Late Neolithic Pit Burials from perdigões enclosure (Portugal): Preliminary results...

 

 now... 

Of the latter 3 children in Portugal, found in Pit7, one was Mtdna H , meaning is mom was most likely a local girl  since those Haplogroup H girls had been in Iberia for very long time, but… wait for it, wait for it… the second and third DNA were Mtdna U4 and U5. - U4 and U5 are from the southern Russia (Siberia) where actually and funny enough the oldest mutations of R1b (M343) originate something like 16,000 Years ago. We know that, for instance, in Scandinavia where its found in highest percentage in Europe they only show up much later with R1b of bell beaker… see, see. What the hell where they doing in the most southern western part of Europe so early? – They came with the leftovers of the Shulaveri Shomu R1b (M269). Bet you all if and when they figure these boys Y-Dna haplogroup it will be all if not most… R1b!

 

And also I bet you all that, when (I think Lyonnet sent samples for France for analysis) those 3 children from Mentesh Tepe Dna analysis comes out we will find the same HP U4 and U5… and if any Chr Y-dna comes out it will be R1b, all of them. 

 

No shit sherlock!

 

 Nota:Não quero de todo transformar isto num blog de antropologia, que nem é a minha praia pese embora o gosto, mas quero que fique escrito, para a posteriedade.  Quem não se interessar por estes temas ignore e siga em frente, ignorando estes posts. Ainda vou colocar mais uns 2 ou 3 antes de largar o tema. Aliás escrevi em Inglês porque estou a ter hits vindo de fora…. E para que fique escrito e claro o que é cintilante e obvio para mim.

 

 

 

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De Olympus Mons a 12.01.2016 às 17:51

Unfair your point about pits…

Firstly because Shulevari Shomu culture differs from all other cultures that preceded them. Even Trialeti culture (6000-4000 BC) same as them but a bit west had completely diferent ways of burials by having prekurgan mounds and people where buries in supine position (with feet point east) and the following Leyla-Tepe culture (4500-4000) was Kurgan, and even Sioni culture was abruptly different and Kurgan and Metsamor burials were also with supino feet east on pre kurgan mounds.
So only Shulaveri shomu seemed to have specific traits unlike its neighboring and posterior cultures that, most important, you find almost exact match in Perdigoes:

*Buried consecutively in nearby Pits;
* in crouch position,
*in circular negative constructions, sometimes found ash (burned?) in the pits, surround by circular mudbricks architectures with exactly same dimentions (~1,5m and others 4,5m),`later area people even used stone and not mudbrick
*people found with only pottery and cultures of beads ,
* with no riches (contrary to other around even at the same time) like metsamor…
…and also extremely importantly a fixation with anthropomorphic figures.

One could carry on with these similarities almost forever. So its not just children in Pits, ok. The all context is the same! :-)
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De Maju a 12.01.2016 às 18:38

Maybe that's important in a local West Asian context, we'd need to understand other cultures of the area in that period, but in Western Europe or in Europe in general it seems to me totally trivial: the tradition of the mainline Neolithic culture(s) with roots in Thessaly.

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